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Jan 10, 2018 2:10 PM

Full bleed and trim size

For a full  bleed color book with a trim size of 8.5” x 8.5” is the correct image  size 8.625” w x 8.75” h? My thinking is that this allows .125” on top,  .125” on bottom and .125” on  top for the bleed.. What  happens if more than .125” is added to the images for bleed? Does that  simply mean that more of the image will be trimmed off?
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1. Jan 10, 2018 2:16 PM in response to: giraffey
Re: Full bleed and trim size

Page size too - 8.625 wide x 8.75" height, not just image size.  Yes, if you make images larger than that, it just means more will be cut off.

 

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2. Jan 10, 2018 2:21 PM in response to: giraffey
Re: Full bleed and trim size

giraffey wrote:

 

For a full  bleed color book with a trim size of 8.5” x 8.5” is the correct image  size 8.625” w x 8.75” h?

Yes.

What  happens if more than .125” is added to the images for bleed? Does that  simply mean that more of the image will be trimmed off?

I advise you to stick to precisely what CreateSpace asks for. Otherwise results may be unpredictable.

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3. Jan 10, 2018 11:36 PM in response to: giraffey
Re: Full bleed and trim size

giraffey wrote:


What  happens if more than .125” is added to the images for bleed? Does that  simply mean that more of the image will be trimmed off?

 

What often happens is CS will think the cover is set up wrongly, and they will resize it, which can create other errors. Always use the precise measurements.

 

 

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4. Jan 11, 2018 7:43 AM in response to: giraffey
Re: Full bleed and trim size

I agree with Maaku and Michelle . . . make your bleed 0.125".  No more. Despite this instruction:

If you want your images to bleed to the edges of your book, ensure that they extend at least .125" beyond the final trim size

 

CS says "at least" but most of have learned that any more and you ask for fiddling.

 

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8. Apr 26, 2018 1:42 PM in response to: giraffey
Re: Full bleed and trim size

giraffey wrote:

My page size is set to 8.63 W by 8.75 H to allow for bleed. My  margins are set to .5 for top, bottom and outer, and .38 for inner.

Would the following work flow scheme be safe?: for positioning of  photos, set the margins and grid to .13 all around.

No. With CreateSpace, the bounding box (handles/edges) of all page objects  must either be inside the safe zone (live area) or extend all the way to  the full-bleed page edge. With the setup you've described, at least one edge of your photos would be in the "no man's land" between the safe zone and bleed edge, and CreateSpace would reject the submission on that basis.

 

Even if it were acceptable, trim and binding are not that precise -- especially not with print-on-demand. Exactly where the page edges are trimmed may vary slightly from book to book, so if done as you've described, sometimes it would come out as you envision, but sometimes a part of the photo would be cut off anyway, and sometimes a portion of the white/unprinted edge beyond the photo would still be visible in the finished book. Full-bleed content should be designed with this variance in mind, and with the expectation that a portion full-bleed artwork or photos will be trimmed away.

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