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Jun 24, 2011 7:46 AM

The publication date of your book

It would help Createspace authors if, when setting up a title, we had the option of either setting the publication date as the current date OR a date four months in the future.  Some newspapers, magazines and other review sources want to see the book before the publication date.  If the author can order copies of his or her book as soon as it is set up, as they do now, and send out copies to review sources BEFORE it is listed on Amazon as having been published, it would be helpful.

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1. Jun 24, 2011 8:06 AM in response to: JohnPG
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I agree.

 

I can understand why CS wouldn't allow this at set-up (poor planning would result in too many projects missing the release date, and then they and Amazon would have to deal with the fallout) -- but there could be an option to do this on the back end for those of us who print and distribute ARCs (such that we could approve the book for publication, set a release date in the future, get Amazon started on the listing and enable pre-release sales, all while being able to buy/distribute copies ourselves for advanced reviews).  CreateSpace could even stamp those copies as "Review Copy - Not for Resale" (I do).

 

Maybe someday . . .

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2. Jun 24, 2011 8:42 AM in response to: Lighthouse24
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How long does it take before Amazon lists approved books ready for sale on their site?

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3. Jun 24, 2011 10:38 AM in response to: writechick
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Within 15 days, but it takes several more weeks for all of the listing features (such as "Look Inside") to appear.

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4. Jun 24, 2011 5:28 PM in response to: JohnPG
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I joined Amazon Advantage for this very reason. I don't distribute through them though, so I don't pay them any fees or commissions on sales.

 

I set up my title via Advantage, allowing pre-orders and all that jazz, and then as the publication date approaches I tell Amazon that books cannot be supplied from the publisher and will now be available via CS or LSI.

 

I get ARCs printed through a local POD -- you could use Lulu for this, or setup a duplicate title in CS with a free dummy ISBN.

 

Michelle

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5. Oct 6, 2011 6:55 PM in response to: lipmag
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Hi Lipmag,

   I just approved my proof on a title. Will they give me a chance to review the page on Amazon before the start making it available to see by the public? How do I control that?

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6. Nov 15, 2011 7:43 PM in response to: lipmag
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hi michelle,

 

i am very interested in having my book listed on Amazon months before the pub date and I need all the information I can use. Your post is the best I've seen on this topic. I am using Createspace to POD a trade paperback. They referred me to Amazon Advantage to list pre-pub but what confuses me is having to ship books to Amazon. Can't they just get them through Createspace? Please advise and thanks so much.

 

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7. Nov 15, 2011 8:23 PM in response to: writer418
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Amazon will still get your books from CreateSpace -- there's no need to ship books at all. It's pretty straightforward: just use the contact link in your Advantage account to inform Amazon that books will not be shipped to their warehouse and they can instead obtain books from CreateSpace. That's it. Advantage will cancel any orders they have placed and wait for the book to become available from CS.

 

Michelle

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8. Nov 16, 2011 5:55 AM in response to: lipmag
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thank you for the helpful and quick reply....

 

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9. Nov 21, 2011 8:07 AM in response to: lipmag
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Hi Michelle–

 

If I want to set up a duplicate title with a dummy ISBN in CS for arcs should I just leave off the original ISBN from copyright page?

 

Rich

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10. Nov 21, 2011 8:35 AM in response to: rmsmi
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Every project must have it's own, unique, ISBN. You don't have to enable any of the distribution channels (including Amazon and CS).  You can take you book, submit it, order a proof, approve it, then order 100 copies (or whatever number you want) to send out. Until you enable the various distribution channels, the book is available only to you.

 

You can make a special cover just for the ARCs if you want. Then change it to what you want down the road, in preparation to releasing the book.

 

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11. Nov 21, 2011 10:02 AM in response to: walton
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Another question/concern I've recently encountered: Createspace insists on putting a barcode on my ARC. One advisor told me reviewers might ignore a book with a barcode but I don't see any way around it. Also, I know from personal experience that reviewers WILL review a book with a barcode. Just taking your tempterature on this, Michelle and Walton.

 

Thanks.

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12. Nov 21, 2011 10:50 AM in response to: walton
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Thanks Walton. I do understand about each book having a unique ISBN and the ability to print and change whatever we want changed in each book.

 

My problem is that I want a publication date of January 2012 but want to print some copies before hand. Therefore, I'm making a duplicate book with a dummy ISBN which will, in turn, have a pub date of 2011 but never intended for sale. Does this book need a bar code on the back cover as well? Do I need to take the CS ISBN and make my bar code and place it on the backcover and re-upload?

 

Thanks

 

Rich

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13. Nov 21, 2011 2:04 PM in response to: writer418
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writer418 wrote:

 

Another question/concern I've recently encountered: Createspace insists on putting a barcode on my ARC. One advisor told me reviewers might ignore a book with a barcode but I don't see any way around it. Also, I know from personal experience that reviewers WILL review a book with a barcode. Just taking your tempterature on this, Michelle and Walton.

 

Thanks.

 

I never heard this before. How absurd. Even the Big 6 publishers send out ARCs with barcodes (I get them all the time from Random House etc).

 

 

Michelle

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14. Nov 21, 2011 2:12 PM in response to: rmsmi
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rmsmi wrote:

 

My problem is that I want a publication date of January 2012 but want to print some copies before hand. Therefore, I'm making a duplicate book with a dummy ISBN which will, in turn, have a pub date of 2011 but never intended for sale. Does this book need a bar code on the back cover as well? Do I need to take the CS ISBN and make my bar code and place it on the backcover and re-upload?


All POD books need a barcode so that the interior is matched with the correct cover during binding (which is the main reason for the interior barcode on the last page if the book). CS will apply the barcode for you -- you don't need to add it.

 

If you're printing ARCs using a dummy ISBN, you won't be able to include the official ISBN on the copyright page because CS will scan the numbers and reject the file because it doesn't match the ISBN they have allocated. Same with if you decide to create your own barcode -- if it doesn't match the ISBN in the dashboard, it will be rejected.

 

You can ignore the dummy ISBN and leave any references to the official ISBN out of the ARCs, and hope that it doesn't confuse the reviewer (include an info sheet with all the official book details in the mailout if you can). I tend to get ARCs printed by a local printer to avoid this problem, as I can include the official ISBN in the ARC, and it doesn't affect my publishing date on Amazon.

 

 

Michelle

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